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Thursday, December 7, 2023

Israeli Exhibition Reconstructs Scene Of Festival Attack - Barron's

With empty tents, an abandoned bar and even the original sound system, a new exhibition in Tel Aviv has recreated the scene of the bloody October 7 Hamas attack on a desert music festival.

Relatives of the 364 Supernova festival-goers gunned down in southern Israel were invited for a preview ahead of the memorial exhibition's opening on Thursday.

Many broke down in tears as they surveyed the scene, put together by the festival organisers in a vast hall to look like it was frozen at the moment of the attack.

They walked slowly past the names and photos of those killed.

Nearby, organisers laid out unclaimed belongings from the festival, and relatives pored over shoes, hats, glasses and keyrings, hoping to find a memento of their loved ones.

Among the mourning parents was Amit Zender, 63, wearing a T-shirt with a photo of his daughter Noa and the dates "2000-2023".

"I've come to see what this festival looked like, where my daughter died," he said.

The exhibition is temporary, but Zender called for a permanent museum to mark the October 7 attacks, in which Hamas militants killed about 1,200 people in total, mostly civilians, according to Israeli authorities.

The two-day festival in the Negev desert, just beyond the Gaza border, drew more than 3,000 people on October 6 and 7.

At 6:29 am, warning sirens sounded. Armed men arrived in cars and on motorised paragliders, opening fire on the crowd.

They chased down festival-goers trying to escape or hiding in makeshift shelters in an attack that lasted hours. The gunmen took around 40 hostages back to the Gaza Strip.

After the attack, the site was left for several days with dozens of burnt-out vehicles and abandoned tents, sleeping bags and clothes strewn about.

In Tel Aviv, the exhibition organisers reconstructed a camp with upturned chairs under strings of fairy lights, as well as charred vehicles and portable toilets punctured by bullet holes.

Nitzan Schlesinger, 27, said the exhibition offered a way to "keep in touch with other families who have been through the same thing".

Her father, Assaf Schlesinger, a rescue worker, treated the wounded before he was killed by the attackers, she said.

Relatives said seeing the exhibition was a powerful and difficult experience.

"My brother Idan Dor, 25, was murdered at this festival and it took eight days for us to be told he was dead," said Daniela Dor-Levin. "He loved to dance, he had just started his life. He wanted peace."

"Coming here tonight might be the most difficult day since his death, because I saw his name at the entrance, the wrecked cars... it's all coming true for me," she said, tears in her eyes.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog, who attended the inauguration, called the exhibition "a sacred space". He urged the families "never to forget the beauty and goodness of our loved ones".

On the way out, a sign read: "We will dance again".

"We will gather 3,000 people to dance again, because we are a community, a tribe that continues to exist," said Omri Sassi, one of the Tribe of Nova festival group's founders.

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German Cultural Scene Navigates a Clampdown on Criticism of Israel - The New York Times

A torrent of canceled events is threatening Germany’s reputation as a haven for artistic freedom.

Museum shows were canceled. A book prize was suspended. And some artists were barred from applying for a major commission.

This all happened recently in Germany because of concerns that the artists involved support a boycott of Israel, a position that the German Parliament has designated as antisemitic and which can be punished by the withdrawal of public funding.

Yet in the heightened atmosphere since the Hamas terrorist attacks of Oct. 7, arts administrators are also increasingly concerned over artists whose public comments about Israel have nothing to do with a boycott, including accusing the country of war crimes, or describing it as an “apartheid” state. Officials have been combing through social media posts and open letters, some going back over a decade. And they have been calling off projects as a result.

Billions of dollars flow annually through museums, theaters and cultural exchange programs in Germany, which support the livelihood of thousands of artists there and abroad. But the steady drum beat of cancellations has struck at the country’s reputation as a haven for free expression and risks isolating international artists whose views on Israel don’t line up with Germany’s unqualified support.

Susan Neiman, the director of the Einstein Forum, an organization for international intellectual exchange based near Berlin, said in an email that the situation was “awful,” with artists and intellectuals now “declining invitations to work.” In a recent essay in The New York Review of Books, Neiman said that Germany’s overzealous approach to combating antisemitism had turned into “hysteria” that “threatens to throttle the country’s rich cultural life.”

In the art world alone, the Folkwang Museum in Essen last month halted a collaboration with Anaïs Duplan, a Haitian curator based in the United States, because, in Instagram posts, he described Israel’s retaliation in Gaza as genocide. A week later, the Biennale für aktuelle Fotografie, an event that was scheduled to be held in three German cities next year, was canceled after administrators found that one of the lead curators had shared an interview on social media in which somebody likened Israel’s actions in Gaza to the Holocaust.

The Folkwang Museum in the city of Essen called off a collaboration with a Haitian curator who described Israel’s actions in Gaza as a genocide.Wilfried Wirth, via Shutterstock

Hito Steyerl, an internationally renowned artist who has represented Germany at the Venice Biennale, said the situation had become all-encompassing. “There is no discussion of art anymore,” she said. “It’s Israel-Palestine, and that’s it.”

In the literary world, too, cancellations have been rife. In October, the Frankfurt Book Fair canceled an event honoring the Palestinian author Adania Shibli, shortly after a German newspaper said her writing characterized Israel as “a killing machine.” And last month, the authorities in Bochum, a city in western Germany, announced that they were postponing awarding the Peter Weiss Prize, a major literature award, to Sharon Dodua Otoo, a British author, because she had once signed a petition supporting a boycott of Israel by arts workers.

There are historical reasons for Germany’s unease over calls for a boycott, which many Germans see as comparable to Nazi campaigns to avoid Jewish businesses in the 1930s. Because of the Holocaust, many German officials also feel a special responsibility toward Israel and are attuned toward any resurgence of antisemitism at home.

In a 2019 parliamentary resolution, lawmakers urged regional governments to deny public funding to any group or individual that “actively supports” the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, known as B.D.S., or that questions Israel’s right to exist. Even before the Hamas attacks of Oct. 7, the resolution was used to justify shutting down exhibitions, concerts, lectures and panel discussions, as well as removing acts from lineups.

The cancellations and rescinded invitations were all met with pushback, and cultural leaders raised concern that the resolution was having a chilling effect on artistic freedom. But other rejections have been less public, such as the artists who were screened out of a major public art commission in Cologne over their views on Israel.

A German newspaper said Adania Shibli’s writing characterized Israel as “a killing machine.”Kirill Kudryavtsev/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

In August, the Cologne Cathedral kicked off a search for an artist to create a work responding to some antisemitic medieval carvings in the building that it had chosen to leave in place but contextualize. According to a letter seen by The New York Times, the cathedral asked “eight personalities from the international contemporary art scene” to nominate peers for the task, but rejected seven of the nominees because they had signed open letters that supported boycotting Israel or criticized the country’s actions in Gaza. Those included an open letter published in Artforum in October, whose signatories included many of the international art world’s major stars.

Markus Frädrich, a cathedral spokesman, declined to name any of the rejected artists, but said that the church could not work with anyone who had signed open letters that “trivialize terror or spread antisemitic ideas.”

Claudia Roth, Germany’s culture minister, said in an email statement that she would not tell institutions how they should balance free speech with combating antisemitism, but added that canceling events or revoking awards should be “the last step, not the first.”

“I would hope that we can move away from fear and move toward dialogue and discourse,” Roth said. “Germany’s commitment is very clear,” she added. “We don’t want Jews to feel unsafe in this country.”

Yet the pursuit of that aim has, in some cases, deprived Jewish artists of a voice. On Nov. 24, the museum authorities in Saarland, in southern Germany, canceled an exhibition scheduled for next year by Candice Breitz, a South African Jewish artist who has been based in Berlin since 2002. Her work often focuses on political themes, and Breitz has been a vocal critic of Israel’s actions in Gaza on social media, where she has said that “flattening Gaza will not make Jews safer” and criticized the censoring of “leftist Jewish” views.

In an emailed statement, Andrea Jahn, the director of the Saarlandmuseum, where the show was planned, said that Breitz’s social media posts created “a public image that questions Israel’s right to self-defense, fueling a discussion we as a museum cannot provide a platform for.”

In a separate statement, the Saarland Cultural Heritage Foundation, which oversees the Saarlandmuseum, said that the decision was taken because of Breitz’s “proximity to the B.D.S. movement.”

Works by Candice Breitz at Fotografiska Berlin in September. The Saarlandmuseum canceled an upcoming exhibition of Brietz’s work because of her “proximity to the B.D.S. movement.”Markus Schreiber/Associated Press

Breitz said in an interview that she did not support that movement, although she believed that boycotts could be a useful tool of protest. She added that it was “absurd” that “Germans with Nazi ancestry” were telling a Jewish woman what she could and couldn’t say.

Some artists fear that the clampdown will grow tougher in coming months, especially following a recent court decision. In November, Shibli, the Palestinian author, applied for a preliminary injunction against Die Tageszeitung, a German newspaper that published an article calling her a “committed B.D.S. activist.” The court in Hamburg dismissed Shibli’s application because she had signed two open letters: one in 2007 that urged the Rolling Stones not to play concerts in Israel, and one in 2019 that criticized the organizers of another literary prize that was derailed by B.D.S. accusations. The second letter was also signed by dozens of major literary figures including the Nobel Prize winners J.M. Coetzee and Abdulrazak Gurnah.

Shibli declined to comment for this article, but her lawyer, Roger Mann, said that the Hamburg court’s decision was procedural and shouldn’t have legal implications for the other signatories. But he pointed out that some German newspapers had theorized that a host of globe-trotting authors could now be excluded from German cultural life. Mann said that Shibli was appealing the court’s decision.

For some Jewish artists, the debate over canceled shows and rescinded prizes is a mere sideshow to the question of rising antisemitism. Germany has seen a steep rise in reported antisemitic incidents since Oct. 7, including the attempted firebombing of a Berlin synagogue. Igor Levit, the German pianist, who is Jewish, said in an interview that he had felt “alone in grief” in Germany, because so few cultural institutions had issued statements condemning Hamas and the spiking attacks on Jewish people.

Some artists and writers had made “despicable” comments, he added, but he said he did not feel that canceling their exhibitions or performances was the answer. For decades, Levit said, Germany had tried to combat societal problems, including antisemitism, using rules and regulations, whereas more open discussion and debate was needed.

“You will never solve a problem,” he added, “by fearfully trying to push these people away.”

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Israeli Exhibition Reconstructs Scene Of Festival Attack - Barron's

With empty tents, an abandoned bar and even the original sound system, a new exhibition in Tel Aviv has recreated the scene of the bloody October 7 Hamas attack on a desert music festival.

Relatives of the 364 Supernova festival-goers gunned down in southern Israel were invited for a preview ahead of the memorial exhibition's opening on Thursday.

Many broke down in tears as they surveyed the scene, put together by the festival organisers in a vast hall to look like it was frozen at the moment of the attack.

They walked slowly past the names and photos of those killed.

Nearby, organisers laid out unclaimed belongings from the festival, and relatives pored over shoes, hats, glasses and keyrings, hoping to find a memento of their loved ones.

Among the mourning parents was Amit Zender, 63, wearing a T-shirt with a photo of his daughter Noa and the dates "2000-2023".

"I've come to see what this festival looked like, where my daughter died," he said.

The exhibition is temporary, but Zender called for a permanent museum to mark the October 7 attacks, in which Hamas militants killed about 1,200 people in total, mostly civilians, according to Israeli authorities.

The two-day festival in the Negev desert, just beyond the Gaza border, drew more than 3,000 people on October 6 and 7.

At 6:29 am, warning sirens sounded. Armed men arrived in cars and on motorised paragliders, opening fire on the crowd.

They chased down festival-goers trying to escape or hiding in makeshift shelters in an attack that lasted hours. The gunmen took around 40 hostages back to the Gaza Strip.

After the attack, the site was left for several days with dozens of burnt-out vehicles and abandoned tents, sleeping bags and clothes strewn about.

In Tel Aviv, the exhibition organisers reconstructed a camp with upturned chairs under strings of fairy lights, as well as charred vehicles and portable toilets punctured by bullet holes.

Nitzan Schlesinger, 27, said the exhibition offered a way to "keep in touch with other families who have been through the same thing".

Her father, Assaf Schlesinger, a rescue worker, treated the wounded before he was killed by the attackers, she said.

Relatives said seeing the exhibition was a powerful and difficult experience.

"My brother Idan Dor, 25, was murdered at this festival and it took eight days for us to be told he was dead," said Daniela Dor-Levin. "He loved to dance, he had just started his life. He wanted peace."

"Coming here tonight might be the most difficult day since his death, because I saw his name at the entrance, the wrecked cars... it's all coming true for me," she said, tears in her eyes.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog, who attended the inauguration, called the exhibition "a sacred space". He urged the families "never to forget the beauty and goodness of our loved ones".

On the way out, a sign read: "We will dance again".

"We will gather 3,000 people to dance again, because we are a community, a tribe that continues to exist," said Omri Sassi, one of the Tribe of Nova festival group's founders.

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Wednesday, December 6, 2023

'Love Actually' card scene is 'a bit weird': Director Richard Curtis - USA TODAY

The British romantic comedy "Love Actually" was released in 2003, a film which many may now consider to be a classic around the holidays.

The movie, directed by Richard Curtis, features the separate, and eventually intertwining stories of a star-studded and mostly-British cast finding love of all kinds around Christmas, including Hugh Grant, Liam Neeson, Keira Knightley and Emma Thompson, among others.

Over the years, however, one scene has become a subject of repeated online discourse. It's near the end of the film, where Mark (played by Andrew Lincoln) silently confesses his love to Juliet (played by Keira Knightley) outside of her home using handwritten signs and telling her "to me, you are perfect," even though she is married to his best friend, who remains inside and oblivious.

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Andrew Lincoln and Keira Knightley in a scene from "Love Actually."

In a November interview with The Independent, Curtis said he agrees with the sentiment that the scene is a bit strange.

"He actually turns up, to his best friend’s house, to say to his best friend’s wife, on the off chance that she answers the door, 'I love you,'" Curtis told The Independent. "I think it’s a bit weird."

Curtis added that at the time the film was made, "we didn't think it was a stalker scene. But if it’s interesting or funny for different reasons [now] then, you know, God bless our progressive world."

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Beyond the sign scene, not everyone looks back fondly on the other moments in "Love Actually."

The movie does (barely) pass the Bechdel Test, a test for movies where two named women in a movie who talk to each other have to have a conversation about something other than a man. One of the only scenes that passes the test is when Karen (played by Emma Thompson) has a conversation with her daughter, Daisy, about her role in the school's nativity play, where she is cast as "first lobster."

The movie has a number of references to women's weight, especially concerning the character Natalie (played by Martine McCutcheon). Natalie works for the Prime Minister (played by Hugh Grant), and tells him her boyfriend dumped her because she was getting fat. There's also a scene where the Prime Minister refers to her as the "chubby girl," and her own father later calls her "Plumpy."

Curtis, in the interview with The Independent, noted that his daughter Scarlett held him to account on some of the more controversial aspects of "Love Actually" and some of his older movies at the Cheltenham Literature Festival in October, especially the ways those movies "in particular treated women and people of color."

Has the entertainment industry changed since 2003's 'Love Actually?'

Although some of the themes and jokes made in "Love Actually" may not differ much from other movies released in 2003, perhaps its yearly scrutiny comes with its association as a holiday movie. In the 20 years since, the entertainment industry has tried to move more toward equality both behind and in front of the camera, although some say it has not moved far enough.

A 2023 report from the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative examined 69,858 speaking characters and 1,600 top films from 2007 to 2022. The report found that the percentage of females in leading and co-leading roles reached a 16-year high of 44% in 2022. But there was no meaningful change in the percentage of female-speaking characters: 34.6%, only slightly higher than 2021's mark of 33.1%. Only 15% of 2022’s top 100 movies featured a cast that was gender-balanced, and just one nonbinary character was featured in that crop of projects.

And the annual UCLA Hollywood Diversity Report released in March found ethnic and gender diversity in 2022 movie releases reverted back to 2019 or 2018 levels in a number of metrics, both in front of and behind the camera.

“The fear is that diversity is something is temporary or could be easily cut at any point in either theatrical or streaming,” said Christina Ramón, director of the Entertainment and Media Research Initiative at UCLA, which produced the report.

“What will be interesting to see is what happens in 2023 if it continues to have this bifurcation," Ramón previously said.

Contributing: Associated Press; Brian Truitt, USA TODAY.

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Reservist who shot hero civilian at terror attack scene released to house arrest - The Times of Israel

A reserves soldier accused of shooting civilian Yuval Castleman to death while responding to a terror attack last week was released to house arrest on Tuesday evening.

The decision to free Staff Sgt. (res.) Aviad Frija was made after a military court judge noted problems with the strength of the prosecution’s evidence, according to the Ynet news site.

Frija was one of two off-duty troops who responded to a terror shooting at a Jerusalem bus stop on Thursday, opening fire on the two assailants but also at Castleman, an armed civilian who had also fired at the terrorists.

Footage from the scene showed that Frija shot Castleman after the latter had put his gun down and was holding his hands in the air. He was questioned under caution on Sunday and arrested the next day. He is suspected of having committed reckless homicide.

A lawyer representing the Castleman family expressed dismay over the decision.

“The fact is Yuval was shot to death while he was holding his hands up, had pushed away his gun, opened his jacket and took out his wallet to show that he had an Israeli ID, while yelling in Hebrew not to shoot,” the attorney said, demanding an “appropriate punishment.”

Yuval Castleman is fatally shot after preventing the continuation of a deadly terror attack in Jerusalem on November 30, 2023 (X screenshot; used in accordance with clause 27a of the Copyright law)

The second soldier involved in the incident, who opened fire and was injured, was also questioned under caution on Sunday.

Three other people were killed and five were injured in the attack. Castleman was driving on the other side of the street when the attack occurred; he stopped his car, crossed the road and rushed at the terrorists with his firearm and fired at them.

The soldiers, who arrived at the scene at around the same time, apparently mistook Castleman for a third assailant, and at least one, Frija, fired at him.

Graphic video from the scene showed Castleman throw away his gun, fall on his knees and raise his hands in the air while shouting, “Don’t shoot” as the soldiers approached him. He was then shot again.

According to additional details reported Sunday, Castleman also yelled at the soldiers until he collapsed, “Look at my ID, I am Jewish.”

Speaking about the incident, IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi said Tuesday that soldiers should not shoot at someone putting their hands up.

Halevi said the military appreciates Castleman’s “brave” action in taking down the Hamas gunmen. “This is truly heroism,” he said.

“At the same time, we emphasize the need to stick to the basic and required rules in complex situations like these, shooting in a civilian environment,” he added. “Do not shoot when the threat is lowered, and we do not shoot at those who put their hands up.”

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi speaks to the press from southern Israel, December 5, 2023. (Emanuel Fabian/Times of Israel)

Speaking to the right-wing Channel 14 network shortly after the attack, Frija said that “someone shouted ‘terrorist.’ The soldier next to me and I were lying down on the floor and then we went around behind the [bus] station. We realized [the terrorists] were behind us.

“Slowly we looked for them, we walked crouched behind the station, and then when we passed the station we suddenly saw them and then shot them,” Frija said. “There was a terrorist there and we shot him.”

Asked by the network if he confirmed the terrorists had been killed, Frija said “Yes, we shot until they fell.”

Frija’s lawyers, Col. (res,) Shlomi Tzipori and Col. (res.) Ran Cohen Rochberger, said in a statement to the media Monday that the videos showing the terror attack and fatal shooting “create a partial and false impression that does not reflect what was seen and heard from the direction of the soldier.

“The additional shooting carried out by the soldier and other people in the area toward the late Yuval must be examined according to all the circumstances and the situation that stood before the soldier’s eyes in real time,” the lawyers said.

“From where the soldier stood, from the sights he saw and the sounds he heard, the soldier was wholeheartedly convinced that he was firing at a terrorist who still posed a life-threatening danger to him and everyone around him. He had no intention of making a ‘confirmed kill’ and did not act in that way,” the statement said.

Israeli emergency services at the scene of a terror shooting attack in at the entrance to Jerusalem, November 30, 2023 (Chaim Goldberg/Flash90)

“Immediately after he saw that the person was hit and was lying [on the ground], he stopped shooting. After hearing the testimony of the soldier, we do not doubt that under these extremely unusual circumstances, the Military Advocate General will also reach the clear conclusion that, alongside the heavy sorrow for the terrible outcome, this is a tragic mistake that does not justify taking criminal measures against the soldier,” the lawyers added.

Following the Military Police investigation, the IDF will decide if criminal charges should be brought against Frija. IDF protocols do not allow soldiers to shoot someone who raises their hands in the air, and officials say the soldier’s conduct during the incident was not what was expected of him based on the norms and values of the military.

Times of Israel staff contributed to this report.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2023

Fury as Brits destroy sacred Spanish nativity scene after climbing on Baby Jesus - Express

Two British tourists have sparked fury after they destroyed a sacred nativity scene in Spain. The pair climbed over a statue of the Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus in the centre of Jerez de la Frontera, in Cadiz.

Spanish locals have been left outraged by the incident, with the men being branded "puto ingleses" - which translates to "f***ing English" - as they screamed at them to "get out".

An investigation has been launched into the circumstances surrounding the alleged vandalism, with city council officials confirming that the model of the Baby Jesus was ruined and now needs replacing.

Video footage of the incident shows three locals rushing over to the display calling on the tourists to move away.

One of the Britons then claims "I’m Christian, I’m Christian" while mocking a praying gesture.

Eventually, the pair climb down from the stage before climbing back over the fence that was put in place to stop people accessing the scene from the Nativity.

A police car is seen pulling up to the scene as an office approaches the two tourists.

It is unclear if the pair were arrested. In December, the Monumental Nativity Scene is set up in front of the church where the Three Wise Men parade culminates on January 5.

But the scene has been targeted numerous times in the past, with vandals destroying parts of the set up.

Residents were said to have found the statue of Baby Jesus on the morning of December 1, before seeing the footage of the two British men vandalising the scene.

The statue had been "smashed to bits" and was left in the middle of the street. The police officer was said to have shouted at the two men.

This follows a similar incident in 2018 where several of the Nativity figures had clay pots put on their heads, while another smashed figurine was found in 2014.

Back in 2019, vandals broke the arms and legs off the statues of Baby Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

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Monday, December 4, 2023

Jana Kramer and Sarah Drew Respond to Joke on 'SNL' About Lifetime's First Holiday Movie Sex Scene - PEOPLE

Jana Kramer's A Cowboy Christmas Romance doesn’t premiere until Saturday, but it’s already gaining attention for including Lifetime’s first Christmas movie containing a sex scene.

The topic came up on this past weekend's Saturday Night Live when Michael Che made a joke during the show's news parody segment "Weekend Update."

“Next week, Lifetime will air their first Christmas movie featuring a sex scene,” began Che, 40. “The sex scene will finally explain why Santa named that one reindeer Vixen."

He added, "That’s a weird name for a reindeer, man.”

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Kramer, 40, appreciated the shoutout and posted on her Instagram Story Sunday: “My new movie made @nbsnl 😂”

Lifetime and A Cowboy Christmas Romance’s writer Sarah Drew jointly reposted the clip on Instagram, too, captioning it, “Lifetime officially made the naughty list 😂 #ACowboyChristmasRomance #ItsAWonderfulLifetime #SaturdayNightLive”

Actor Max Ehrich, 32, who plays Kramer’s brother in the movie, shared a similar sentiment on his Story on Sunday, writing, “@nbsnl put us on the naughty list this holiday season.”

A Cowboy Christmas Romance follows real estate agent Lexie Crenshaw (Kramer) as she returns to her Arizona hometown in an attempt to close a deal for the ranch next to one she grew up on. However, the neighboring rancher (Adam Senn) doesn’t want to sell, and the trip home dredges up past drama with Lexie’s own family.

Kramer, who welcomed her first child with fiancé Allan Russell in November, discussed the steamy relationship between her and Senn’s character while chatting with Drew, 43, on the Nov. 27 episode of iHeart's Whine Down podcast.

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“It’s the first Christmas movie that has sex scene,” Kramer said. “When I read it, I was like, This is going to be interesting. ’How are we going to do this with the baby belly?’ And so, we’re on this — spoiler alert — he lays me down on some hay and then I’m like, and then we, you know. And then, obviously it’s still Lifetime, it’s still family, but it was pushing the limits there too. But when they cut and then the next morning — the outtake, I was like, ‘We made a baby!’”

Drew approved of how the scene turned out.

“It all came out so beautifully,” Drew told Kramer. “But especially the scene in the kitchen, I had written into the stage directions: he pulls her up onto the counter, he shoves things off the table. I was like, ’Oh yeah, no, I put it all in there.’ I was like, ‘Don’t take the steam and the sex away from me. I wrote it on purpose.’”

They both appreciated that the sex scene made the final cut.

“I was actually surprised that Lifetime ... didn’t cut anything,” said Kramer, also mom to daughter Jolie, 7, and son Jace, 5, from her marriage to Mike Caussin. “I was so happy that they really left it all in there.”

Drew added, “How sad would that have been in that scene just got cut?”

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A Cowboy Christmas Romance premieres Saturday at 8 p.m. ET on Lifetime.

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